Its only FREE as long as you agree with the opposition. We are NOT a third world country run by dictatorship. We are all protected by the 1st amendment. This is why we have democracy! What gives you the RIGHT??? To vandalize someone's home who disagrees with you???? Is this how you show love? You have painted Love 4 all and equal Rights? Aren't you showing the opposite?? We were peaceful, going about democracy and not putting fear into people to change their vote. MY BALLOT WAS CAST LAST WEEK! I was sympathizing, now I just have anger and I am GLAD I voted the way I did! You did NOTHING but CONFIRM MY VOTE!!!
GROW UP PEOPLE!
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Do you think if you were hanging nooses in your front yard and burning crosses that everyone should respect your freedom of speech too ?
You have the right under the law to say whatever you want too and this is clearly illegal and the law is on your side.
But when you are preaching hate and bigotry (as is you right) being shocked that some of those you are attacking might strike back is naive.
Prop 8 is not just "an opinion" like tax policy - it is an attack upon the lives of tousands of California families and it isn't surprising that some of them take offense
Thanks for stating your opinion, and giving me the chance to respond.
If someone wanted to hang nooses & burn crosses - depending on if they were specifically aimed at a race, gender or sexual preference - would certainly determine whether or not I would think that it's appropriate. In my case, I think that putting a sign stating *my* political preference falls within the freedom of speech clauses.
As to your statement: "You have the right under the law to say whatever you want too and this is clearly illegal and the law is on your side."
The word "Illegal" means something that is against the law. If something is illegal, the law can't be on my side. If you instead meant something like "unconstitutional" - then we would definitely have a talking point - since the California supreme court clearly defined gay marriage to be legal under the current constitution, that's what this prop is about. One of the most amazing things about our process of democracy and constitutional law is that the people writing our laws knew that they didn't know everything. That's why we have the ability to introduce amendments that carry the will of the *majority*. If this proposition passes, it will amend the constitution of California with the will of the majority. In the event that it doesn't pass, the majority will have made it's will known in that direction also.
On to your third point: "But when you are preaching hate and bigotry (as is you right) being shocked that some of those you are attacking might strike back is naive."
Anyone who thinks that this issue is about hatred of gays, or being prejudiced against them, would be someone whom I would say is naive. This issue is not in any way a clearly black or white issue, but has many far reaching implications. It's not like I suddenly woke up and decided to vote one way or the other. It took me many hours of thinking, praying, and soul searching to determine what the right decision on this issue is for ME. I don't begrudge anyone deciding against me, and in fact, some of my closest friends and family disagree with me. I don't hate ANY people, nor am I bigoted against anyone for their sexual preference.
With regards to *attacking* anyone - and this being an attack upon the lives of thousands of families - I do realize that this is a hot button issue and that many people are extremely passionate one way or the other, but ultimately, I want to think that people are believers in upholding others dignities and rights. You can't say that you want equal rights when you're trampling on mine. I would hope that we could both engage in some discussion instead of feeling the need to violate someone else's home.
Please explain how the GLBT community is trampling on your rights.
>, I think that putting a sign stating *my* political preference falls within the freedom of speech clauses.
Of curse it does, as is your right to post swastikas.
>You have the right under the law to say whatever you want too and this is clearly illegal and the law is on your side."
I meant that the attack on your property was illegal and the law was on your side.
>Anyone who thinks that this issue is about hatred of gays, or being prejudiced against them, would be someone whom I would say is naive.
If you were the one being attacked - say a jewish person when you posted your swastika, you would not believe that it wasn't hate and bigotry for a moment - no matter how much the person said that they didn't hate jews, they just wanted to make sure that everyone know christians were superior.
>It took me many hours of thinking, praying, and soul searching to determine what the right decision on this issue is for ME
No - if you decided it wasn't tight for YOU, then YOU should not enter into a gay marriage.
What you were "deciding" was what you thought of MY rights, and you decided that I should not have the same rights that you do.
>, I want to think that people are believers in upholding others dignities and rights.
Actually your vote is exactly the opposite.
>You can't say that you want equal rights when you're trampling on mine.
That is true - and by the same token when you are trampling on my rights, you shouldn't expect people to care very much about yours
Although I do not believe in vandalizing others' property, this proposition vandalizes my family, my marriage. My wife and I love each other, and we deserve the same rights as any other couple. No church should be required to marry us, any more than a Catholic church would marry 2 Jews - but we deserve the right to be married by a non-religious officiant or a supportive minister. That's OUR freedom of religion, and equal rights under the law.
My wife and I were married June 17, 2008 in San Diego. Here is a link to our wedding pictures.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/karinandkristi/
Please look at them, and think about how your vote could hurt us. That was the happiest day of my life. We promised to love one another in sickness and in health. As women with disabilities we understand what that REALLY means - we live it daily. I have cried almost every day since the ads started running for this proposition. People who don't know us, who have never seen the depth and strength of our relationship, tell lies about us and want to take our rights away. Please, try to imagine how much that hurts. Please, reconsider your vote.
NG -
Thank you for posting.
At No time did I blame the vandalism on the GLBT Community. At no time did I say that the GLBT community trampled our rights. I said,
"You can't say that you want equal rights when you're trampling on mine. I would hope that we could both engage in some discussion instead of feeling the need to violate someone else's home."
You is referring to the person whom violated our home and frightened our children. You referring to anyone that takes a stand on an issue that tramples a basic first amendment right. This issue, having been placed on the ballot, I have a right, just as you do, to be as supportive or as unsupportive as I deem necessary for my own personal opinion. Just as if someone places an Obama sign in their yard, no one has a right to spray paint McCain for Prez across my garage if they disagree. Or Vise Versa.
Karin,
Thank you so much for posting. And Thank you for sharing your picture.
Thank you for sharing your side of this issue. I wish the individuals responsible for the vandalism would have done the same. As we stated to the Newspaper we would have loved for the person to have an open dialogue with us instead of destroying our property. We as a nation have stopped talking and started using cowboy antics to get our messages across.
If one person wants another to understand their side of an issue or debate, befriending and dialogue is the best avenue. The last thing a victim wants to do after someone vandalizes their home and places fear into your family and your children is listen.
Thank you for having that dialogue with me.
I wish you all the best in whatever the outcome of this election is.
P.S.
I would like to make it clear that anyone who wishes to post on this blog do so with respect. I will allow all comments as long as they are respectful to both sides on this debate. And by respectful I mean not derogatory in ANY way towards the GLBT community or anyone supporting Yes on 8.
Thank you.
Kelly, beckerbuns here, from BrightKite...
I just saw this on the local news site:
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San_Jose_Police_Investigate_Prop_8_Vandalism.html
Just in case it wasn't clear to you, I am anti-prop 8 but I STILL support your right to have your "yes on 8" sign in your front yard. For pete's sake, this is America.
I hope that my opposing viewpoint does not mean we can't be friends (since, I believe, we have some things in common). I am really disappointed that there are people who think that your viewpoint is not okay just because it is different from theirs. I think they're missing the point of the phrase "freedom of speech".
BeckerBuns! HI!! :-D
Thanks for commenting! Please do not worry! We have family and friends that disagree with us, but we still love them and support them in their right to their opinion.
THANK YOU! for supporting our rights as well. :-D
Kelly, I live in El Cerrito and am utterly appalled to see what a couple of idiots did to your property. I truly am sorry that happened to you and your family.
I voted NO on prop 8,and I strongly believe in that. That said, I'm utterly embarrassed that people chose to vandalize and use violence and destruction to push their views. That is not OK and is completely counterproductive to what most NO on 8 supporters wished to achieve.
Best to you and your family.
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